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My Sword of Runes -
01-11-2003, 04:06 AM
Hi folks,
Just this early beggining of the year I decided on having this sword design made and it has already started on the 9th. day of the first month of the year.
It may not be conventional or under any typology. It does not matter. I am not aiming to design a historical sword.
I am not against historical swords at all. I just want to do something else, sometimes based on historical inputs, but I hope that my respect for those of you who like traditional types and specs will be met with the same respect for me wanting to create something out of the standard rules 
Otherwise why would I have a smith do it? Well anyway this is a very special sword to me and it will be finished in one month's time.
I thought I'd share these superb renditions that Eric did for me.
Its a huge sword and it will be mainly for display.
BTW if I am not replying to you folks soon, maybe its because I will not be able to, but I'll do my best.
A review with full details will be made once it is done and pictures of its making and finished view will be on my site when the time comes.
Hope you enjoy it
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01-11-2003, 04:17 AM
Nice renderings, Eric. Very clean... you keep it up and you'll manage to convince me to learn some rendering program or another... 
Anyway, it is a very interesting design, Antonio. Who is the smith who is making it, if it isn't a secret? |
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01-11-2003, 04:40 AM
Originally posted by Scott Byler
Nice renderings, Eric. Very clean... you keep it up and you'll manage to convince me to learn some rendering program or another...
Anyway, it is a very interesting design, Antonio. Who is the smith who is making it, if it isn't a secret?
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Hi Scott,
Eric is a wonderful renderer. Its not about the program itself. Its about him as obvious
Thank you for your comments. The smith's name is a secret, but it is because its is part of the making of this sword.
I appreciate your understanding. |
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01-11-2003, 05:15 AM
beautiful sword design there, once you have it made i'd love to see it...i myself have been working on a design but with a bit of greif concerning some issues, but i better not go into that. if you want to see it, it's in the tolkien forum.
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Re: My Sword of Runes -
01-11-2003, 05:43 AM
Have you condsidered a fuller for this blade Antonio?
It would lighten the blade (even though it's primarily a display peice), and by adding a wide, shallow fuller, you could frame your rune quite nicely. I think that it would add to the appeal of the sword, both in form and function.
Just my two cents. I'll look forward to seeing it in completion, as always.
josh
Originally posted by Antonio Cejunior
Hi folks,
Just this early beggining of the year I decided on having this sword design made and it has already started on the 9th. day of the first month of the year.
It may not be conventional or under any typology. It does not matter. I am not aiming to design a historical sword.
I am not against historical swords at all. I just want to do something else, sometimes based on historical inputs, but I hope that my respect for those of you who like traditional types and specs will be met with the same respect for me wanting to create something out of the standard rules
Otherwise why would I have a smith do it? Well anyway this is a very special sword to me and it will be finished in one month's time.
I thought I'd share these superb renditions that Eric did for me.
Its a huge sword and it will be mainly for display.
BTW if I am not replying to you folks soon, maybe its because I will not be able to, but I'll do my best.
A review with full details will be made once it is done and pictures of its making and finished view will be on my site when the time comes.
Hope you enjoy it
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The smith also sitteth by the anvil,
And fighteth with the heat of the furnace,
And the noise of the hammer and the anvil is ever in his ears,
And his eyes look still upon the pattern of the thing that he maketh.
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And waiteth to polish it perfectly.
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Re: Re: The Smith -
01-11-2003, 06:20 AM
Originally posted by Scott Byler
No problem, Antonio. I understand. And art is not in the program but in the heart and mind and eyes and hands, as you point out...
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Thanks I find that Art is the most evasive definition in our time. Never Art has been so free of parameters.
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01-11-2003, 06:23 AM
Originally posted by Robert.B
beautiful sword design there, once you have it made i'd love to see it...i myself have been working on a design but with a bit of greif concerning some issues, but i better not go into that. if you want to see it, it's in the tolkien forum.
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Hi Robert,
Thanks for the kind words.
It may look a bit disproportionate. But it isn't. At least at my eyes and though I am unconventional I do follow the golden rule.
Just something back from the Rennaissance and from Pythagoras.
I'll check the Tolkien forum |
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Re: Re: My Sword of Runes -
01-11-2003, 06:27 AM
Originally posted by Josh Powell
Have you condsidered a fuller for this blade Antonio?
It would lighten the blade (even though it's primarily a display peice), and by adding a wide, shallow fuller, you could frame your rune quite nicely. I think that it would add to the appeal of the sword, both in form and function.
Just my two cents. I'll look forward to seeing it in completion, as always.
josh
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Hello Josh,
I went into another type of geometry and though the blade is a 35 incher, I combined a very specific geometry that will make the blade a very fearsome cutter.
The smith and I spoke at length and he very much accepted my geometry proposal and was very excited. Rest assured though it is a display sword I would never design something that would not work perfectly.
To add some more information the sword weight is aimed at around 3 pounds. 
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01-11-2003, 07:03 AM
Great design, as always! I particularly like it because it is similar in some respects to a semi-historical custom I have in the making now. ( just a few more months )
Your taste is impeccable, Mr. Cejunior!
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can you say "The 13th Warrior" inspired.....perhaps...? -
01-11-2003, 07:12 AM
Seems to me, IMHO, fairly similar to Glen Parrell's (Viking Metal Works) "Bolvie's Sword" adapted from the central character, Buliwyf, in the movie The 13th Warrior...
http://www.vikingmetalworks.com/swords.html
But that's just me...
Nonetheless, Antonio, I like it, sir...
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Re: can you say "The 13th Warrior" inspired.....perhaps...? -
01-11-2003, 03:50 PM
Originally posted by Jesse Zinn
Seems to me, IMHO, fairly similar to Glen Parrell's (Viking Metal Works) "Bolvie's Sword" adapted from the central character, Buliwyf, in the movie The 13th Warrior...
But that's just me...
Nonetheless, Antonio, I like it, sir...
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Hi F.D. and Jesse,
Yes, it is similar. But I personally don't like movie swords.
Blade shape is different as well as the way the center piece goes into the blade. Mine is not attached to the guard.
But it does not mean there are no influences. I recall Pablo Picasso stating that what he did was 90 percent influences and 10 percent creativity.
When I did this design of a long leather overcoat
after visiting Morocco, I was very much convinced that the straight influences were from Morroccan wool long overalls with a hood. Years later I found out while reviewing For a fistfull of dollars with Clint EastWood, that his long leather duscoat has been lying in my subconcient all those years.
Same applies with this sword. I saw it when I ordered my cuphilt and left hander from Glen, then I got Glen's email in my adress book and he replied sometime ago after a long silence. He had moved and resettled.
I do like his sword, the Bolvien, and I'm sure I was influenced by it. Thank you 
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01-11-2003, 04:40 PM
welll you kept highlight ART so i assume art ewell has something to do wti it
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01-11-2003, 04:46 PM
Originally posted by David Stokes
welll you kept highlight ART so i assume art ewell has something to do wti it
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Hey David,
And I thought you were mad at me 
But no, its not Art Elwell. It is not important at this stage at all who is doing it except that it is a very capable smith.
And it is not Rick Barrett or Joe Walters.
It is someone who caught the spirit that presided over the sword and the runes and tuned up completely with my thoughts.
As politicians say. There are no inconvenient questions. Only inconvenient answers
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01-11-2003, 07:58 PM
Hmm yep...but it's Buliwyf's sword! Or roughly...though that Glen Parrell piece weighs around 8 pounds I think. Maybe less, I'd have to check his site again. What runes are you using...I'll take a look at them again but well they look funny to me sorta digitized.
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Re: Long time -
01-11-2003, 08:03 PM
have you worked with the smith before???
i was sure it was gonna be joe..
I like swords.
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Re: ... -
01-11-2003, 08:04 PM
Originally posted by BlairLowe
Hmm yep...but it's Buliwyf's sword! Or roughly...though that Glen Parrell piece weighs around 8 pounds I think. Maybe less, I'd have to check his site again. What runes are you using...I'll take a look at them again but well they look funny to me sorta digitized.
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Call it what you like
I prefer roughly, though.
The runes are digitized and I'm sorry but they are very personal stuff. Appreciate your understanding. |
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Re: Re: ... -
01-11-2003, 08:06 PM
Originally posted by Antonio Cejunior
Call it what you like
I prefer roughly, though.
The runes are digitized and I'm sorry but they are very personal stuff. Appreciate your understanding.
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you'll translate them in the review tho, right??
I like swords.
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Re: Re: Long time -
01-11-2003, 08:07 PM
Originally posted by Jeff Ellis
have you worked with the smith before???
i was sure it was gonna be joe..
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Joe became too busy. He couldn't make it in a month's time.
The rest will be out when the time is right.
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Re: Re: Re: ... -
01-11-2003, 08:08 PM
Originally posted by Jeff Ellis
you'll translate them in the review tho, right??
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Geeezzz, it's personal buddy. But if you want I'll be emailing you.
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Re: can you say "The 13th Warrior" inspired.....perhaps...? -
01-11-2003, 09:26 PM
Originally posted by Jesse Zinn
Seems to me, IMHO, fairly similar to Glen Parrell's (Viking Metal Works) "Bolvie's Sword" adapted from the central character, Buliwyf, in the movie The 13th Warrior...
http://www.vikingmetalworks.com/swords.html
But that's just me...
Nonetheless, Antonio, I like it, sir...
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okay, notthing against anyone here, but that sword that was modeled after the 13th warrior one looks.. bent.. doesnt it? or is it just me?
I like swords.
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01-11-2003, 09:31 PM
looks straight to me, could be the angle its on etc...and as for it looking like the sword from 13th warrior frankly i dont see it except for a small influence...the 13th warrior sword has many differences and when i saw it first time i noticed it could have been influenced by that sword but it looks pretty orig to me...keep the designs and creativity flowing Antonio |
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01-11-2003, 09:34 PM
Originally posted by Robert.B
looks straight to me, could be the angle its on etc...and as for it looking like the sword from 13th warrior frankly i dont see it except for a small influence...the 13th warrior sword has many differences and when i saw it first time i noticed it could have been influenced by that sword but it looks pretty orig to me...keep the designs and creativity flowing Antonio
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nono robert, not antonios design, i would never accuse him fo copying anything. being inspired, yes, but copying, never. the man runs a museum, he has enough inspiration for a lot of things.
i meant this one:
see what i mean? it "bends" to the left.. or is it supposed to be like that?
I like swords.
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01-11-2003, 09:37 PM
ahhh, actually there is a bit of a bow to it...could be tempered wrong, i had a straight blade i was working on but trashed it because when i heat treated it the blade kind of bowed in the quench. but considering the reputation and skill of glen thats weird???
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01-11-2003, 09:59 PM
why would i be mad at you Antonio? you are like the Christopher Lee of SFI!!! Have you ever seen "the man with the Golden Gun"? Christopher Lee is a scary guy!! someone id like to be good friends with..............like you are i are friends!!!
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01-11-2003, 10:15 PM
That is most likely an artifact of the photography. Photos distort pretty badly sometimes. If you'll notice (or at least it appears this way on my browser) the lines of the boards also appear to form a curve. Perspective and a camera lense can do that.
Originally posted by Jeff Ellis
nono robert, not antonios design, i would never accuse him fo copying anything. being inspired, yes, but copying, never. the man runs a museum, he has enough inspiration for a lot of things.
i meant this one:
see what i mean? it "bends" to the left.. or is it supposed to be like that?
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Re: Re: can you say "The 13th Warrior" inspired.....perhaps...? -
01-12-2003, 03:56 AM
Originally posted by Jeff Ellis
okay, notthing against anyone here, but that sword that was modeled after the 13th warrior one looks.. bent.. doesnt it? or is it just me?
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Actually it is your brain that is doing one of its tricks on you.
Focus past the sword, and you will see the blade straighten.
It is becuse of the surface the sword is displayed on.
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01-12-2003, 09:08 AM
...I thought I was the only one to see it, but the blade definately looks off kilter to me! It may be just an illusion,but it's a dang powerful one!
On the original topic,killer sword,Antonio!
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01-12-2003, 11:37 AM
That is a long handle! And a cool blade, too. This is my favorite Antonio design so far!
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01-13-2003, 02:22 AM
Hello.
Thanks for all the comments.
Antonio will be out of town for a bit. But I did do this animated gif for fun.
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01-13-2003, 02:44 AM
cool i like that, get to see a 3d moving image of it. |
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Hi Eric -
01-13-2003, 03:57 AM
Originally posted by Eric Litton
Hello.
Thanks for all the comments.
Antonio will be out of town for a bit. But I did do this animated gif for fun.
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Hi Eric
How've you been? That's a great thing you did with Antonio's sword of runes. I can't wait to see more of your work.
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01-14-2003, 04:47 AM
Originally posted by David Stokes
why would i be mad at you Antonio? you are like the Christopher Lee of SFI!!! Have you ever seen "the man with the Golden Gun"? Christopher Lee is a scary guy!! someone id like to be good friends with..............like you are i are friends!!!
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Nope, I quit seeing James Bond movies long before you were born. Same time Sean Connery left the role.
Well Christopher Lee plays a bad guy but that doesn't mean he's bad at all.
That's news to me that I'm the Christopher Lee of SFI
But not a problem You are so transparent my dear David
Oh, the authorities of your country also did not find me scary at all and not even once my luggage was touched
When you grow older you will hopefully be able to tell A from B
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01-14-2003, 04:49 AM
Originally posted by Rev. C.G.Talley
...I thought I was the only one to see it, but the blade definately looks off kilter to me! It may be just an illusion,but it's a dang powerful one!
On the original topic,killer sword,Antonio!
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01-14-2003, 04:50 AM
Originally posted by D. Perdue
That is a long handle! And a cool blade, too. This is my favorite Antonio design so far!
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Hi D.
Well, my favourite one is always the one I'm doing
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01-14-2003, 04:52 AM
Originally posted by Eric Litton
Hello.
Thanks for all the comments.
Antonio will be out of town for a bit. But I did do this animated gif for fun.
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Hi Eric
Nice job dude. Remember one thing though.
Runes are different each side. The other side is XPX.
How about making it half the speed?
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01-14-2003, 11:17 AM
Ah, ok, I thought the XPX was only on the scabbard, Its a quick change. sure ill double the frames to slow down the spin.
Originally posted by Antonio Cejunior
Hi Eric
Nice job dude. Remember one thing though.
Runes are different each side. The other side is XPX.
How about making it half the speed?
Wonderful work as always. Huh partner?
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01-14-2003, 04:57 PM
Originally posted by Eric Litton
Ah, ok, I thought the XPX was only on the scabbard, Its a quick change. sure ill double the frames to slow down the spin.
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Nope buddy, the parts (two sides of the sword) incorporate the entirety.
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Re: Re: can you say "The 13th Warrior" inspired.....perhaps...? -
01-16-2003, 11:42 AM
Originally posted by Antonio Cejunior
When I did this design of a long leather overcoat
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I can't get over how talented you are. Even this sword you're designing, there is a cohesiveness of color and texture; it's almost a Japanese approach but without it being Japanese.
Anyways, how does one go about purchasing one of your fabulous fashions?
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